See this image that shows the stacks are directly on a standard 3 degree descent angle and there is no VSGI lighting to warn you otherwise. I remember reading a story about a pilot who ditched in the ocean just off shore from a beach, maybe 20-30 yards out, and walked away uninjured. There's no way to verify that your approach angle is correct because there's no vertical guidance nor is there a PAPI or VASI on that runway. Flying time at 80 kts ground speed was just 16 sec, break out to tower. The location where the witness was viewing from is a significant factor for interpreting what is reported as seen. I believe the approach was unstable, in and out of IMC from JAMID. Turbine engines are especially vulnerable. Excellent comment. Fourth or fifth day on the job, in good weather, she crash landed one of our 'Vans onto a runway, totally wrecking it. For lost lift or turbulence from stack vapor plume as the cause of the crash, the obvious next question is why the first approach that went missed didn't include a crash into the plant from the effects that brought the Caravan down on the accident approach.What was different?Looking at three first approach data points in sequence, two of which were located before reaching the Gem plant and a third beyond BYI, with locations map-pinned for viewing, the difference shows up as ground speed much greater during first approach:Wed 10:11:37 AM 42.5614 -113.7494 218 133 153 4,625 -913http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5614+-113.7494Wed 10:11:53 AM 42.5532 -113.7580 217 128 147 4,375 -128http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5532+-113.7580Wed 10:12:59 AM 42.5277 -113.7819 207 93 107 4,450 192http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5277+-113.7819That raises another question:After having flown that first approach and experiencing the vapor plume, why was the second approach ground speed reduced to 81/80 knots from the first approach's 133/128 knots coming toward the Gem plant? "It was a 100% bound to happen eventuality." They see the tater plant as a job producer airport more of a nuisance. The pilot did not bust minimums nor was this anywhere near an approach to minimums. It seems to be risky these days to express admiration about a man and his wife for their aviation interests, so the info above is offered without comment. But remember runways don't vote "but we can't equip these airports with an ILS"That is a misguided statement, because it is not funding for an ILS but rather the surrounding obstacles at this airport that are preventing it from having better approaches. first opened in 1940, and publicly-owned by the CITY OF BURLEY, ID. 1 - 24. Doing so would eliminate suspicion that there might be cherry picking going on. I wouldn't start speculating that they hit the silos, without proof, because those of us who live there see no indication that the silos or cooling towers were touched. 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Private Jet Sales Exclusive Aircraft. A pilot can do a CDFA to the VDP, or "dive and drive" to the self-calculated VDP, either is legal, OK. The Santa Monica Fire and Police Departments responded to the scene and were assisted by L.A. County Lifeguards. A National Transportation Safety Board investigator arrived on the scene on Tuesday. https://gemairflights.com/. It's not the answers that friends and family will want.The Caravans of today, even one 9 years old, are equipped with the G1000 avionics system, really about a dozen computers. One correction for your analysis: The elevation of the stack she hit is 4256' MSL in the FAA's obstacle database.Using your calculation of the flight path elevation at the stack, applying the FAA's verified stack elevation revises your math to: 4,365' - 4,256' = 109'.The top of the stack is 109' below the flight path. Amazingly, the flight could have succeeded all things else considered.The onus would appear to be on the plant and surrounding politics in this instance. It's nearly parallel to the runway. You sound like a true Ftard! There is still data needed to determine amount of fuel in tanks. Even if the tower and building wasn't there and the Bonneville salt flats was in front of the plane she would be touching down in the next 6 seconds. Annual to April 2023. Skipping to the end and resuming reading at the next to the last paragraph is recommended if you don't want to read all of the details.) Updated. Agreed - not assuming willful pilot disregard of minimums until PT-6 operation is evaluated is the responsible viewpoint until investigation makes determinations.Accident aircraft was a 2013 production aircraft, not a steam gage model. METAR:KBYI 131440Z AUTO 21008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN030 OVC047 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131410Z AUTO 19008KT 1SM -SN BR BKN023 OVC028 M03/M05 A2996Track:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220413/1300Z/KSLC/KBYI. From the preliminary ntsb report:"According to a witness, located about one quarter mile away, he first heard, then observed the airplane descend out of the clouds then immediately went into a steam cloud, which was produced from a set of six smokestacks located on the same roof. He also attempted to do a recreation of the approach into KBYI by scud-running with a non-IFR rated pilot, seemingly violating cloud clearance requirements and also not making any calls on the CTAF frequency during his approach. It would be interesting to know if the FAA recommended to the plant that they voluntarily add a lighting system to that tall chimney or stack. On the descending side of each drum, flakes of dehydrated mash fall onto a second belt. Other company pilots: "BYI steam is routine, I can land there just fine"7. "It would be more enlightening if you pointed out that due to TERPS, the only approach that could be approved was a non-precision LNAV with no vertical guidance and a steep 3.75 descent angle due to the silos and other obstructions."False. FlightAware displays ground speed, not IAS, so you have to account for winds loft, which can be significantly higher than reported surface winds.3. I am extremely sorry for her parents and other loved ones. At some time before noon on August 7, 2020, a Turbo Cessna 210 took off from Roosevelt, Utah, for a fair-weather daytime flight. The controller then instructed the pilot to execute the published missed approached and to report established [in the hold] at IREME, and to expect the same approach. Maybe Burley and the state of ID can get a 90% grant to build new from feds $3 billion in new funds for airports under Prez Biden and the Dem's passed infrastructure law. Thanks for posting that CVR transcript. I totally agree with you. The reported ceilings were well above the MDA, so unless you were sitting in the cockpit next to the pilot, you have no idea if they could make out the runway or not when they passed the MDA. See 6:45 in the video: https://youtu.be/M6ev-hmvtag?t=405. Comments upthread didn't draw insults to the suggestion that N928JP may have experienced diminishing lift due to contamination accumulation on flight surfaces that built up during two approach attempts in light snow and mist.This part of what you wrote seemed odd, however:"Ice on the rotor and starter blades"Turbine engines have sets of rotor and stator blades. There was a small plane crash in North Carolina on June 16, 2022. I venture that your confident swagger and language will be forever humbled. Brittney was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and served a mission in Birmingham, England from 2015-2017. A plausible explanation that in no way reflects poor airmanship. FlightAware's track log is heavily sampled and rounded, showing one track point every 20-30 seconds despite ADS-B transmitting a data point every second. Sunrise was at 6:56.She would have been accustomed to crossing the waterway with the railroad bridge in view on the right side during the last moments in the normal approach to the RW20 threshold.There is nothing to see that is even remotely similar to the waterway and RR bridge combination before reaching the tater plant. There are less than 4,000 feet available for landing. On July 17, 2022, about 1204 pacific daylight time, a Piper PA-46-350P airplane, N97CX, and a Cessna 172N airplane, N160RA, were destroyed when they were involved in an accident near Las Vegas, Nevada. I bet that last moment of reality was shocking. It is this 140 foot radio tower near the United Metals Recycling plant, which is 0.6 NM north east of the Gem State stack :https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5584036,-113.7480359,3a,86.2y,335.86h,111.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfD-logCbUr79CSW4DcVyPQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656Curiously, none of the Gem State stacks are notated anywhere on the approach plate. It's unclear if anyone else was on board the aircraft. Apparently the mail must get through, despite the automated voice telling you "Minimums" and you don't have the runway. Threshold Crossing Height is 40'. Second, if ANYTHING needs to be checked up, how about checking up our FEDERAL GOVERNMENT in WASHINGTON with out of control wasteful spending on taxpayer AND borrowed freaking MONEY!!!! On 29 May 2021, a Cessna 501 Citation I/SP crashed into the Percy Priest Lake in Tennessee. A Cessna 501 Citation I SP took off from Venice, Fla., shortly before noon. She must have had sight of the runway lights which allowed her to descend below MDA but didn't see the smokestack. He wanted to ban jets at SMO and ultimately close it. The accident happened at sunrise and coincided with rush hour. @billy - The accident pilot was initially flying a 4.1 descent angle leaving JAMID, with 1.6 NM remaining to the RW20 threshold. Chunks of ice breaking off may be sucked into the engine and cause structural damage. Welcome back, Kathryn's Report! The insurance company, the salvage team, the trauma center were all baffled at how I survived the crash. in 'vans, always used about 95 Kts on short final, slowing to 80~85 just before touchdown (depending on load, winds, etc.). After being "on" at JAMID, these were the descent angles flown:From JAMID to Data Point "B", angle flown was -4.1From Data Point "B" to Data Point "A", angle flown was -6.5, For comparison of speeds, alts, angle flown, map-pin locations:C208B N585SA flew N928JP's duty/schedule SLC to BYI on 15 April.https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquiry/Search/NNumberResult?nNumberTxt=N585SAN585SA's landing 15 April into Burley RW20 in VFR conditions:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N585SA/history/20220415/1339Z/KSLC/KBYIhttps://flightaware.com/live/flight/N585SA/history/20220415/1339Z/KSLC/KBYI/tracklogMETAR during landing:KBYI 151430Z AUTO 27009KT 10SM FEW043 BKN055 OVC080 01/M02 A2992(Note A2992 in METAR, makes reported ADS-B altitudes true)At location 355 feet NEast of JAMID as Data Point 1:Fri 10:33:11 AM 42.5672 -113.7434 216 120 138 4,825 -830maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5672+-113.7434Data Point 2, -225'AltDiff, 3,415' distant from 1 = -3.8Fri 10:33:28 AM 42.5598 -113.7511 219 120 138 4,600 -821maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5598+-113.7511Data Point 3, -350'AltDiff, 5,115' distant from 2 = -3.9Fri 10:33:53 AM 42.5487 -113.7627 217 119 137 4,250 -840maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5487+-113.7627Raw 15 April BYI METAR link:https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/cgi-bin/request/asos.py?station=BYI&data=all&year1=2022&month1=4&day1=15&year2=2022&month2=4&day2=16&tz=Etc%2FUTC&format=onlycomma&latlon=no&elev=no&missing=M&trace=T&direct=no&report_type=1&report_type=2, When substitute C208B N585SA flew N928JP's duty/schedule into BYI RW20 two days after the crash in VFR conditions as detailed above, that pilot maintained 120 knots ground speed plus the headwind at the time resolved from 27009KT at BYI.The 3.8 to 3.9 angle flown by the substitute aircraft on 15 April between JAMID and Data Point 3's 7th avenue at Snake River location was NOT a "clear the potato plant, then dive for the runway" approach.Was the accident pilot accustomed to flying at a lower approach speed into BYI than she would maintain for a longer runway, such as TWF?The divert landing to TWF RW26 on the day before the accident shows 102 knots ground speed in the 27018KT wind there, which is an airspeed of 120 knots at that last data point located approximately 2100 feet distant from the threshold:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.4805+-114.4631The accident aircraft's 4 April landing to BYI RW20 in VFR conditions showed 87 knots ground speed in the 23009KT wind there at the time, which is an airspeed of 96 knots at that last data point located just after passing over the potato plant: http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5501+-113.7611It is possible that the accident pilot was accustomed to routinely flying the BYI approach at reduced airspeed but experienced diminishing lift at the lower approach speed during the accident approach due to contamination accumulation on flight surfaces that built up during two approach attempts in light snow and mist.She was "on" at JAMID, flew a 4.1 descent angle about halfway to the potato plant, then the descent angle increased to 6.5 in the final 21 seconds on the way to the stack.Links:Diverted flight, 12 April:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220412/1300Z/KSLC/KBYIPrevious N928JP BYI RW20 landing, 4 April:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220404/1318Z/KSLC/KBYI. G1000 avionics can log a lot of data if and only if you have a formatted SD card in the top slot of the MFD. The reported weather doesn't mean anything about conditions at the accident site. There are no obstruction clearance guarantees below the MDA. It makes my heart sick to think about what this delightful person must have gone through. Even from a short distance, the stacks are completely obscured. This Cessna had been built in 1974. The crash wasn't a result of a tower appearing out of nowhere, but an airplane appearing where it shouldn't be. That having been said, in the post-crash video it appears that the aircraft may have clipped that safety cage about 30 feet below the top of the chimney/stack.As for the plant, since that large chimney is less than 200 feet (14 CFR 77), any lighting would have been voluntary (AC70/7460-1K 01FEB2007). She went on to graduate from ATP Flight School in Mesa, Arizona in 2019. Replies. Try finding familiar streets in your town/city next time you fly in on a clear night. Anonymous Wednesday, December 21, . The plane would have yawed left, stalling the left wing and rolled inverted. Regardless of the precise reasons for her own accident, the FAA, Burley Airfield authority, and the board of the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" have very serious questions to answer. By Plane and Pilot Updated August 12, 2021 Save Article. Previous day, the aircraft had to divert to Twin Falls. Nevertheless, RIP to Brittney and condolences to her family and friends. Not sure why there would be a belief that the preliminary indicates that investigators have settled on "sucked down" as the cause, but that type of weird phrasing is typical tuber fandom carryover as mentioned in the post you responded to, proving the point perfectly - Thanks! Again it was very unfortunate. Always remember the human side, and respect that a lot of people suffer greatly from a loss like this. Personal attacks and hate speech directed at the NTSB investigators, FAA investigators, Designated Pilot Examiners, Kathryn, as well as other members of the aviation blog, are unacceptable because they are not constructive. Date and Time: April 13, 2022, 08:32 Local, Flight Conducted Under: Part 135: Air taxi & commuter - Non-scheduled. I grew up near a small airport most people just complained about the noise, and crashes until it was shut down tract homes were built there. Precision matters to actual pilots. This is typical and one of the worst aspects of this community. . 100' tall.Did this pilot really cheat on the minimums?Youtube channels have successfully assigned their opinion to loyal fanboi followers before the investigators determine whether a rare case of faltering PT-6 output steepened the approach.Given the multitude of N928JP landings across the Gem plant at BYI keeping that regularly scheduled milk run going, plus the divert on the previous day, wilful pilot disregard of minimums is not a certainty.Mindlessly yay-howdy-ing the assertion that the pilot was wilfully reckless will lead to regret if the click-generating "Occam's razor" assumptions reaching KR from YT fans turn out to be incorrect. Here are BYI and TWF METARs from that decision time:KBYI 131355Z AUTO 20005KT 6SM -SN BR FEW019 BKN026 OVC033 M03/M06 A2996KTWF 131353Z 24008KT 10SM BKN060 BKN075 OVC095 M02/M06 A2997(That decision to descend for BYI on the accident day didn't have the gusty wind, 1000' broken and one mile visibility conditions of the divert to TWF decision on the previous day)Visibility degraded during descent for the first BYI approach attempt:KBYI 131401Z AUTO 20008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BR BKN026 OVC033 M03/M05 A2996KBYI 131405Z AUTO 20008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR BKN026 OVC035 M03/M06 A2996KBYI 131410Z AUTO 19008KT 1SM -SN BR BKN023 OVC028 M03/M05 A2996KBYI 131415Z AUTO 20008KT 1SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997Conditions while circling back around for another try:KBYI 131420Z AUTO 20007KT 1SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC026 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131425Z AUTO 20008KT 1 1/2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131430Z AUTO 20007KT 2SM -SN BR BKN021 OVC028 M03/M06 A2997(Crash was at 14:32 Z)(The above information was offered to show reports from the BYI automatic weather system for the full period covering the initial descent decision through to the crash at 14:32 Z. Let's do the math. More Info. Sorry, but that's insane.You can pull data all day long from flight records and try to figure out why she did what she did, but the fact remains that a published non-precision LNAV approach that misses a smokestack by 61' is unacceptable. (or the overcast). You just get one needle for lateral guidance, some step down altitude restrictions and an MDA. The billowing clouds suddenly blind you, and the aircraft loses lift at the worst possible time. DG posted an hour long analysis of this accident on his channel. she went full power and still couldn't climb out of it. The lowest reported cloud layer was 1500 feet higher than the MDA. If so, should have gone missed a second time. At just before noon high elevation. Additionally, with the needles centered she would have been 100 feet to the right of the stacks on a normal GPS approach.Looking at the ADS-B track on the missed it shows her at 6950 which should be coming from the GPS. . If she didn't hit the tower, she would of hit the parking lot. This information is added by users of ASN. "4,000 feet is short for a Caravan? / 45.4288; 9.2545. . Additionally, the aircraft should have been approximately 100 feet to the right of the stacks if the needles/diamonds are centered and on the approach path. If the obstacle surface allowed it, they would have put in an RNAV LPV approach to this airport instead of an LNAV, which would have been just as good if not better than an ILS. it seems to me she became visual at or near the dh and continued the approach visually. sadly, we'll never know what she was seeing or thinking in those final moments. freight dogs fly to some airports that are questionable at best with shaky non precision step down approaches with no glideslope. Main cabin in the Newmar Dutch Star 4081 at Tom Stinnett RV in Clarksville. The plate shows 4,304 so I used that. Most of "those pilots" (as you call them) do just fine at almost all single pilot 135 operations and if they "don't get it", it's your job to weed them out. @billy - No reason to expect insults. Must have been one hell of a steam cloud. steam coalescing from 6 stacks into one plume, per NTSB report. 2 Vista residents killed in small plane crash in Arizona. Perhaps this was the pilot's first flight to Burley, or an infrequent stop?Other measures for safety and possible fatigue: No snake river or other possible, large visual cue in sight? The point is there are numerous comments disparaging this accident pilot for busting mins despite not fully understanding the situation, and its unwise, unhelpful, and hurtful to many to spread uninformed none sense. The KBYI AWOS observations already cited above all gave evidence of Icing Conditions of -SN (light snow) and below freezing temperatures. I'm guessing she was tired and flying in bad conditions, with a wall of steam from those chimneys and a roof cleared of snow by heat, and she mistook the roof for the extended threshold. It's not just a pipe. The first structures to accumulate ice are the surfaces with thin leading edges: antennas, propeller blades, horizontal stabilizers, rudder, and landing gear struts. Not enough time for the air frame to ice up from steam. We have 789 CESSNA Aircraft For Sale. Kathryn s Report Cessna 525C Citation CJ4 N614SB Fatal. There is no indication as yet that the pilot was given the special automated report. Fortunately never had a flame out.Cessna C208B Caravan Captain Freight Dog. I only flew in the eastern, midwestern, western, and northern United States milieu in those 30 years, so maybe i didn't see enough. 1. Let me throw mine out there if I may:The simplest, a descent to MDA that was not arrested. "typical tuber fandom". Kathryn's Report (kathrynsreport.com) Kathryn's Report: This Aviation Blog Is Permanently Open (kathrynsreport.com) Edit, as Eman said, "permanently closed for a little while" , the entry now says permanently open. However, this data alone does not provide the basis for a determination regarding the. Someone who kept risking it that day in spite of the aircraft diverting to Twin Falls the day before, which suggests that the freight company could deal with handling the 30 mile location shift of freight delivery/pickup for the more sensible divert away from the impossible to overcome steam cloud.If it doesn't turn out to be the impossible PT-6 failure or impossible pilot PT-6 misoperation, then all that remains is pilot error from risking the impossible to overcome steam cloud that had just been flown over and had a good look at on the first approach, hoping against hope that it wouldn't be impossible to overcome this time.Letting the video channel guy assign the impossible to overcome steam cloud as the certain to be true cause has replaced his prior assignment of the "intentionally busted minimums" story to the minds of easily influenced followers. Determine amount of fuel in tanks by L.A. County Lifeguards NM remaining to the RW20 threshold from... 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